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> Re: More on Ecological Economics."

see.my.sig@theBeach.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote in message news:<10d7mjvb17jlvbb@corp.supernews.com>...
> Psalm 110 said about:
> Re: More on Ecological Economics.
> > (Doug Bashford) wrote in message news:<10d4npe4c4mcm76@corp.supernews.com>...
>
> > > I have long struggled to find a way to introduce
> > > ethics into the philosophy (and method) of science.
> > > More correctly, into one science; Ecological Economics.
> > > The closest I have come is to introduce a fourth
> > > (unprovable) axiom to the philosophy of science,
> > > something like "Biological life is good."
> > > Albert Schweitzer has the concept pegged.
> > > How I envy the poet scientist.
> > >
> > > As one might imagine, the formal introduction of
> > > ethics into a science has met unbounded resistance.
> > > "Ethics isn't scientific." or "Good according to whom?"
> > > Yet I think most of the resistance comes from the
> > > assumption that axioms must be mechanistically applied,
> > > but doesn't this contradict the concept of the axiom?
> > > So I wonder if it is not my choice of words which fail.
> > > ( WANTED: Poet scientist. )
> > > =============
> >
> > It may surprise you to learn that for over 3,700,000,000 ecological
> > principles have been building an ecology beyond the ability of human
> > beings to grasp, without once consulting an Ecological Economist.
>
> Can we presume you refer more specifically to the
> 570 million years since the Cambrian explosion?
> I normally do, since I try to avoid debate for
> its own sake.

Life cannot be understood without the preparatory period which created an oxygen-rich atmosphere, which took a billion years to flower into the Cambrian, and that cannot be understood without the preparatory period before it, going back to the very first day that life was physically possible on planet earth. Your lack of understanding of this fact makes the term "Ecological" in "Ecological Economics" a fraud.

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> > So the first thing
> > you need is the humility to comprehend that economics
> > is non-relevent to ecology.
>
> I guess that might depend on whether one perceived
> that the economy and economic policy were destroying
> that ecosystem.

No, it depends on your humility, nothing else.

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> > The second thing you need is to obtain a sound education in biology,
> > as a necessity of life for all 21st century human beings,
> > economist-mined or not.
>
> Are you talking to me!?

You are the dumb ass who needs the current lesson -- yes YOU.

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> > The third thing you need to learn is: whensoever economics becomes an
> > excusing mechanism for sociopathic behaviors, society reserves the
> > right to strap economists down onto a gurney and apply a lethal
> > injection into a vein and rid ourselves of a hostile force.
>
> In which society is that?

The same one which strapped down Tim McVeigh onto a gurney, because he was too offensive to breathe the same atmosphere.

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> > Ethics is
> > not optional behavior -- it should not be a difficult struggle for
> > anyone, economist or not, to articulate the cohesive principles of
> > society in plain common language any time of the day or night.
>
> Then you agree with me and the principles of EE?

As I said in the original, biology/ecology gets along fine without economists for billions of years -- it is economists who have the burden to prove they have anything of value to offer ecology.

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> > NOW, the "economist" profession is sadly behind the duty to cleanse
> > itself of miscreants whom have aided and abetted corporate serial
> > murderers in sociopathic behaviors.
>
> I think you have worthy values. But let me give you
> a valuable tip from Mark Twain:
>
> Write drunk, edit sober.

My advice was given in previous message -- learn ecology before tacking the term onto your fraudulent activities.

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> > In this document I have provided proofs which have withstood one round
> > of evidence in due process courts of law in the tobacco trials:
> > http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/ADTI_Frauds_01.html
> >
> > You will find names of economists in this citation whom currently need
> > expulsion from positions of trust and respect, and you are charged
> > with the duty to perform your share of social responsibility to see
> > this is done.
> >
> > http://tobaccodocuments.org/lor/92756807-6876.html
> > "Science, Economics, and Environmental Policy: A Critical Examination
> > A Research Report Conducted by the Alexis De Tocqueville Institution"
> > Date: 11 Aug 1994, Length: 70 pages
>
> editing: done.
> --Doug

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Yahoo! Groups : Palaces4People Messages : Message 333 of 333

Steve Schulin wrote in message news:...
> The interest in expunging junk science from government decision-making
> is from a broader source than the industries you harp on, just as the
> interest in promoting Kyoto Protocol is broader than Enron.
>
> Hope you get better,
>
> Steve Schulin
> http://www.nuclear.com
>

Some interest in "expunging junk science" has been traced, using evidence which withstood due process of law in major national conspiracy trials of the tobacco consortium. Tobacco documents online by court order provide the irrefutable evidence, which withstood due process of law in major national conspiracy trials of the tobacco consortium.

Tobacco documents online by court order provide the irrefutable evidence, that S. Fred Singer has been corrupt, that Michael Gough has been corrupt, that Steven J. Milloy has been corrupt, That Fred Seitz has been corrupt, That AdTI has been corrupt, that Cato Institute has been corrupt, That Competitive Enterprise Institute has been corrupt, that Institute for Human Studies has been corrupt, that George Mason University has been corrupt, that Robert Tollison has been corrupt, that Dwight Lee has been corrupt, that Gary Anderson has been corrupt, That International Center for Scientific Ecology has been corrupt...

This evidence is not going to go away -- it will dog every corrupt person to the day they die, and it will taint every person who uses these corrupt sources to buttress their agruments as either dupes or corrupt. The corrupt have nowhere to flee their history and we are about to see "expunging junk science" with vengence.

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Re: More on Ecological Economics.
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Dr. Fred Singer: a Global Warming Denier w. a history of ...
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Re: Libertarian Paradise
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